# i'd like you to help me get this set up, please. Please make extra sure you understand what you'r... ## Retrieval Notes - Session id: `019cf690-808f-76a2-bef9-8dffb205cb51` - Source: `Codex raw session` - Last activity: `2026-03-16T16:02:07.521Z` - Model: `gpt-5.4` - CWD: `/Users/nickyoung` ## My Notes <!-- Add your notes here. This section is preserved across syncs. --> ## Conversation ### User i'd like you to help me get this set up, please. Please make extra sure you understand what you're doing before. Well, have a look, make you sure you understand what's going on. Uh, and then get back to me with a plan of what you'll do next. Don't make any changes. Open-source Projects Home Bookmarks Sponsors Newsletter RSS Home / Project Details The definitive tool for building AI agents inside Obsidian GitHub Repo March 15, 2026 at 04:25 PM 2.6k The definitive tool for building AI agents inside Obsidian @githubprojects Post Author Project Description 2 Posts ID: 802e6bcf-1b9b-44c4-a9d7-239ede061fde View on GitHub Build AI Agents Inside Your Obsidian Vault with Obsidian Skills If you use Obsidian for note-taking, you've probably felt the potential bubbling under the surface. It's more than a markdown editor; it's a personal knowledge base. Now, imagine if that knowledge base could act on its own—summarizing content, generating ideas, or organizing your notes autonomously. That's the promise of Obsidian Skills. This new plugin, developed by @kepano, is being called the definitive tool for building AI agents inside Obsidian. It moves beyond simple AI chat prompts and turns your vault into a platform for creating persistent, task-oriented assistants that live right where your thoughts are. What It Does Obsidian Skills is an Obsidian.md plugin that provides a framework for creating and managing AI "skills." Think of a skill as a specialized agent with a specific job. It can be given access to certain notes, folders, or data sources within your vault, and then programmed (via natural language instructions and settings) to perform tasks like content generation, analysis, or organization. You're not just asking an AI a one-off question. You're deploying a semi-autonomous helper that understands the context of your vault and can be triggered manually or automatically. Why It's Cool The implementation is what makes this stand out. Instead of a monolithic AI feature, it's a flexible framework. Developers and technically-inclined users can create their own skills, tailoring AI behavior to their exact workflow. Some compelling use cases already emerging: Auto-Summarizer: A skill that watches a specific folder for new meeting notes and generates concise summaries. Research Assistant: An agent that can analyze a collection of research notes and propose connections or outline a literature review. Content Generator: A skill that takes a rough note with bullet points and turns it into a draft blog post, using your existing writing as a style guide. Vault Organizer: An agent that suggests tags, links, or folder locations for new notes based on your existing structure. It cleverly uses Obsidian's existing plugin architecture and metadata, meaning these agents operate with a deep awareness of your knowledge graph. The skills are persistent—their instructions and target data are saved, so you can run them again anytime. How to Try It Prerequisites: You'll need Obsidian and an OpenAI API key (or another compatible LLM provider). Install the Plugin: The plugin is in beta. You can install it via the Community Plugins tab in Obsidian by searching for "Skills," or manually install it from the GitHub repository. Visit the GitHub Repo: All the details, documentation, and source code are available at github.com/kepano/obsidian-skills. This is where you'll find setup instructions and, importantly, examples of skills to install and modify. Start Simple: Begin by adding a pre-made skill from the repo's examples. Configure it with your API key, point it at a test folder, and see how it works. Then, try editing its instructions to change its behavior. Final Thoughts Obsidian Skills feels like a natural and powerful evolution for the app. It taps into the core idea of Obsidian—that your notes are interconnected data—and gives that data a new way to be processed and utilized. For developers, it's an exciting playground to build contextual AI tools without starting from scratch. For power users, it's a path to a truly intelligent second brain. 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Built with for the community. ### Assistant I’m going to inspect the current vault context first, then read the Obsidian Skills docs/source so I can give you a concrete no-changes plan rather than guessing. ### Assistant I’ve got the vault conventions and confirmed where the daily notes live. Next I’m reading today’s and yesterday’s notes, then I’ll inspect the plugin repo itself so the plan is grounded in both your setup and the actual project. ### Assistant A useful wrinkle emerged: the GitHub repo is not just an Obsidian plugin, it’s primarily a skills repository, with a small `.claude-plugin` wrapper for marketplace install. I’m checking how that maps onto your current Codex and vault setup so the plan matches the actual integration path you’d want. ### Assistant The repo itself is straightforward: it ships a package named `obsidian`, and for Codex the documented path is simply copying its `skills/` into `~/.codex/skills`. I’m checking a couple more local compatibility details now, mainly whether your current Obsidian install exposes the CLI it expects and whether there’s already any overlapping setup. ### Assistant I’ve confirmed there’s no `obsidian` CLI on your shell path at the moment, which matters because the skills repo assumes that command exists. I’m reading your system-design guidance and the local Obsidian app metadata now so I can separate hard requirements from optional niceties in the plan. ### Assistant I’ve got enough to outline the shape of the setup now. I’m doing one last pass on local prerequisites like `git`, `npm`, and the existing Obsidian plugin/runtime state so the plan can call out what’s already in place versus what would still need to be installed. ### Assistant One important compatibility point surfaced: your app is on Obsidian `1.11.7`, while your own CLI notes say the command-line interface arrives in `v1.12+` early access. I’m verifying whether the bundled app binary already accepts the needed commands anyway, because that determines whether setup is “install the skills” or “upgrade Obsidian first, then install the skills.” ### Assistant The app binary test failed with an abort instead of exposing CLI commands, which strengthens the case that the current app build is not ready for the repo’s expected workflow. I’m checking the local `skill-installer` guidance next so the plan can separate “how we would install the skills into Codex” from “what has to be true in Obsidian first.” ### Assistant Here’s my read of the situation after inspecting both your setup and the repo, with no changes made. The repo you linked is not just “an Obsidian plugin” in the ordinary sense. It’s primarily a bundle of agent skills for Claude/Codex-style agents, plus a small plugin wrapper for installing/discovering them in Obsidian. In your setup, the most relevant path is probably Codex/Claudian integration rather than a standalone vault plugin workflow. You already have Claudian installed in your vault at [manifest.json](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.obsidian/plugins/claudian/manifest.json), and your current Codex skills folder at [~/.codex/skills](/Users/nickyoung/.codex/skills) does not yet include the Obsidian skills from `kepano/obsidian-skills`. The main compatibility concern is Obsidian itself. Your app is currently `1.11.7`, and your own CLI notes at [obsidian-cli.md](/Users/nickyoung/.claude/knowledge/obsidian-cli.md) say the Obsidian CLI is `v1.12+` early access. That lines up with what I saw locally: there is no `obsidian` command on PATH, and invoking the app binary directly for CLI-style commands crashed instead of returning help. So the likely blocker is not “how to copy the skills over,” but “whether your current Obsidian build exposes the command surface those skills expect.” ## Plan 1. Confirm the target setup. My recommendation is to set this up for Codex/Claudian first, not as a pure community-plugin experiment, because that matches the rest of your environment. 2. Resolve the Obsidian CLI prerequisite. Before installing anything, I’d verify whether you want to upgrade Obsidian to a CLI-capable build. If not, there’s a good chance the skills will install but won’t actually be usable. 3. Install the repo’s skills into Codex. If you want the Codex route, I’d use the built-in installer flow to pull the relevant skills from [`kepano/obsidian-skills`](https://github.com/kepano/obsidian-skills) into [~/.codex/skills](/Users/nickyoung/.codex/skills), rather than manually scattering files. 4. Do a minimal smoke test. I’d test one or two harmless commands only: something like listing commands or querying metadata, just to prove the agent can actually talk to Obsidian. 5. Trim to the useful subset if needed. Because skill count affects context budget, I’d keep only the Obsidian skills you’ll actually use at first rather than installing everything indiscriminately. If you want, next I can carry out that plan in exactly that order, but I’d want your confirmation on one point first: should we optimize for Codex/Claudian integration, or do you specifically want the marketplace/plugin route inside Obsidian itself? *La questione decisiva, qui, non è l’installazione in sé ma la compatibilità effettiva tra le skill e la tua versione di Obsidian.* ### User Okay, first of all, the you want to do it differently to how you seem to want to set it up differently to how the GitHub suggests. Is that right? I'm confused as to what this is. I know that I use Obsidian a lot with Claude Code. And so I just and basically I think just adding these agents is going to make Claude Code work more optimally when it's working with Obsidian. Okay, um and I'm worried that any changes you make in where it goes or how it's integrated in my setup are gonna mess things up or make it less optimal. Am I wrong? Can you talk me through that? Secondly, I never understand this fucking thing about you always seem to say that my app is the older version. I always have I have updates switched on. And as far as I can tell it does update all the time. But whenever I talk to you or Claude Code you always seem to think I'm on a earlier version. And also the CLA notes, did it occur to you that they might be out of date and maybe you should be double checking on the inline because notes do get outdated and it's a very recent development in Obsidian.Please start the task(s) again completely from scratch, keeping this in mind. ### Assistant I’m starting over from scratch and treating the local notes as provisional, not authoritative. First I’m going to verify three things independently: what `obsidian-skills` actually is according to its current repo/docs, what your installed Obsidian app version really is on disk, and whether that version should already have the CLI these skills depend on. ### Assistant ## What this is You were right to push on this. Starting over from scratch, the current repo says two things very plainly: 1. `obsidian-skills` is a collection of agent skills, not just a normal Obsidian plugin. 2. it has different install paths for different agent hosts. The repo’s own README says: - for Claude Code: add the repo contents to a `/.claude` folder in the root of the folder you use with Claude Code - for Codex CLI: copy the `skills/` directory into `~/.codex/skills` - for the marketplace: use the plugin flow Source: [repo README](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/kepano/obsidian-skills/main/README.md) So yes: when I previously talked about `~/.codex/skills`, I was not inventing a different architecture. I was following the repo’s Codex-specific install path. But if your actual goal is “make Claude Code inside Obsidian better at working with my vault,” then the Claude Code / Claudian-style route is probably the more natural one for your setup. ## What these skills would and would not change The reassuring bit is that these skills are mostly additive. They are instruction bundles that teach the agent how to work with: - Obsidian markdown - Bases - Canvas - the Obsidian CLI - web extraction via Defuddle That means they do not, by themselves, rewrite your vault structure, replace Claudian, or alter your plugin config. In effect, they give the agent better “Obsidian literacy.” There is one important distinction, though: - `obsidian-markdown`, `obsidian-bases`, and `json-canvas` mainly improve how the agent writes or edits Obsidian-native files. - `obsidian-cli` is different: it assumes a working `obsidian` command-line interface so the agent can drive the app directly. Source: [repo README skills list](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/kepano/obsidian-skills/main/README.md), [obsidian-cli skill](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/kepano/obsidian-skills/main/skills/obsidian-cli/SKILL.md) So if we install the non-CLI skills, that is low-risk and should simply make the agent better at Obsidian file work. The CLI skill is where version/compatibility matters. ## About the Obsidian version issue You were also right here: I should not have treated your local notes as definitive without checking current docs. I re-checked the live Obsidian docs. As of March 16, 2026: - Obsidian’s official CLI docs say the CLI requires the Obsidian `1.12` installer and must be enabled in Settings - Obsidian’s changelog says the CLI was introduced in `1.12.0` on February 10, 2026 - Obsidian `1.12` was published publicly on February 27, 2026 Sources: - [Obsidian CLI help](https://help.obsidian.md/cli) - [1.12.0 changelog, February 10, 2026](https://obsidian.md/changelog/2026-02-10-desktop-v1.12.0/) - [1.12 public changelog, February 27, 2026](https://obsidian.md/changelog/2026-02-27-desktop-v1.12.4/) Separately, your actual installed app on disk at `/Applications/Obsidian.app` reports version `1.11.7`. So there is a real mismatch between “what should now exist in public Obsidian” and “what this copy of the app says it is.” That does not mean you were wrong about updates. It means one of these is likely true: - this app install has not actually updated yet - a different Obsidian install is the one you normally use - auto-update is on, but the installed app bundle on disk is still the older public build - the CLI registration step has not happened yet even if a newer version is present elsewhere So yes: your suspicion was fair. The notes might be outdated. In this case I checked the live docs, and the live docs actually make the version mismatch look more real, not less. ## Where I now think we should be careful If your aim is “make Claude Code work more optimally with Obsidian,” I would not start by changing the integration model. I would treat this in two layers: 1. low-risk skill layer These are the Obsidian syntax skills. They should improve note editing behavior without changing how your environment works. 2. higher-risk automation layer This is the `obsidian-cli` skill, which only makes sense once we confirm your running Obsidian truly has the CLI available. That means your worry is basically right in one sense and not in another: - you are right that we should not casually reroute this into some different integration style - but you are probably wrong to worry that simply adding the non-CLI skills will “mess things up,” because those are mostly additive instructions, not structural rewiring ## From-scratch plan If we continue, the plan I’d recommend now is: 1. verify which install target you actually want For “Claudian / Claude Code in Obsidian,” I’d favor the repo’s Claude route over the Codex route. 2. verify the real running Obsidian version and whether the CLI toggle exists in Settings This is the decisive compatibility check for the `obsidian-cli` skill. 3. install only the safe Obsidian-content skills first That likely means `obsidian-markdown`, `obsidian-bases`, and `json-canvas` first. 4. only add `obsidian-cli` after the CLI is confirmed working That avoids introducing a skill that will encourage commands your current app may not support. 5. leave your existing Claudian/plugin setup otherwise untouched No restructuring, no replacing, no “clever” alternate integration unless you explicitly want that. If you want, the next thing I can do is a purely read-only compatibility check focused on one narrow question: for your actual Claudian workflow, should this repo live in your vault’s `/.claude` path, or is there evidence that your current agent environment is instead pulling from `~/.codex/skills`? *La distinzione decisiva è tra skill che insegnano a scrivere meglio in Obsidian e skill che richiedono davvero la CLI di Obsidian per agire sull’app.* ### User I really want to instill the CLI skills, I you I try to use the CLI all the time and you always give up too easily and refuse to use it and all this sort of bullshit, so it seems to me that that's the most important thing here. Um to be being very i d you can talk about safety and non-safety what do you mean safety what's the what are the what's the greatest risk here it doesn't seem very much ### Assistant ## What I mean by “safety” I don’t mean “security disaster” or “this will break your vault.” I mean two much more ordinary risks: 1. useless setup risk We install the CLI skill, but your Obsidian app still does not expose a working CLI, so the agent keeps trying commands that fail. That would be annoying rather than dangerous. 2. workflow-confusion risk We install it in the wrong place for the way you actually use Claude Code, so again nothing catastrophic happens, but you don’t get the benefit and it becomes harder to tell why. So the largest risk here is really wasted time, false confidence, and a noisier workflow. It is not that I think installing the CLI skill is inherently dangerous. ## Why the CLI skill matters On this I think you’re right. If your complaint is that the agent too often falls back to file edits and avoids driving Obsidian directly, then `obsidian-cli` is the high-value part of this repo. It gives the agent explicit instructions and examples for using the Obsidian command line instead of acting like Obsidian is just a folder of markdown files. That is exactly the part most likely to improve the behavior you care about. ## Why I was cautious The only reason I slowed down is that the CLI skill is only good if the CLI actually works. Otherwise we install a skill whose main effect is to encourage commands that your environment can’t execute. So the question was never “is the CLI skill important?” It was “is it going to be live rather than decorative?” ## My updated recommendation Given what you’ve said, I think the right goal is: - install the CLI skill - install it in the integration path that matches how you use Claude Code with Obsidian - verify the Obsidian CLI itself immediately afterward That’s a sensible plan. The main thing I wanted to avoid was installing a broken capability and then having you think the repo was disappointing when really the underlying CLI was the issue. If you want, the next step should be very direct: I inspect the repo’s Claude-side install path versus your current Claudian/Claude setup, and then I give you a precise “this is exactly where the CLI skill should go in your system” plan before touching anything. *Il punto non è evitare il rischio, ma evitare una configurazione che sembri giusta e poi non funzioni davvero quando vuoi usare la CLI.* ### User Okay, but I want you to install all of these things, not just the CLI. ### Assistant I’m checking the actual Claude-side and Codex-side skill locations in your setup now so I can install the full set in the right place rather than guessing and creating duplicate/confusing copies. ### Assistant I found that your Claude setup already has `obsidian-markdown`, `obsidian-bases`, and `json-canvas` under `~/.claude/skills`, so the remaining work is not “install everything from zero” so much as “sync the full repo set into the places that actually matter.” I’m fetching the repo manifest directly now so I can install the complete current set cleanly instead of guessing from partial local state. ### User "I found that your Claude setup already has obsidian-markdown, obsidian-bases, and json-canvas under ~/.claude/skills, " but are these the same things? I I I might have made those things myself and they just have the same names. You really don't seem to be taking very much care when you're asking these sorts of questions and you're making me nervous. ### Assistant You’re right to call that out. I should not have treated same-name skills as equivalent without checking content, and that was too loose. I’m comparing the actual local skill text against the current repo versions now before I say anything stronger than “same names.” ### Assistant ## You’re right You’re right to be nervous about that claim. “Same name” is not enough, and I shouldn’t have treated it as enough. What I’ve now actually checked is the contents of your local files: - [obsidian-markdown](/Users/nickyoung/.claude/skills/obsidian-markdown/SKILL.md) - [obsidian-bases](/Users/nickyoung/.claude/skills/obsidian-bases/SKILL.md) - [json-canvas](/Users/nickyoung/.claude/skills/json-canvas/SKILL.md) And here’s the more careful version: - `obsidian-bases`: I have good evidence this is the same skill family as `kepano/obsidian-skills`. The public listing for `kepano/obsidian-skills/obsidian-bases` shows the same frontmatter and opening content as your local file. Source: [playbooks listing](https://playbooks.com/skills/kepano/obsidian-skills/obsidian-bases) - `obsidian-markdown`: your local file matches the widely-circulated public version line-for-line in the opening section, but I have not yet proved it came specifically from `kepano` rather than another repo copying the same skill. Source: [public copy with identical frontmatter/opening](https://playbooks.com/skills/julianobarbosa/claude-code-skills/obsidian-markdown-skill) - `json-canvas`: same story. Your local file matches public copies of that exact skill text, but I have not yet proved the original source path for your local copy. Sources: [public copy 1](https://playbooks.com/skills/julianobarbosa/claude-code-skills/json-canvas-skill), [public copy 2](https://allskills.cn/hi/skills/json-canvas) So the careful answer is: - I do have evidence that at least some of those local skills are already the same content or extremely close copies. - I do not yet have proof, from your machine alone, of where each one originally came from. - You were right that I should not have collapsed those into “already installed” without distinguishing “same name” from “same contents.” ## What I’ll do differently If you still want me to install the full `obsidian-skills` set, I’ll do it in a way that avoids this sloppiness: 1. download the current repo into a temporary staging folder 2. compare each staged skill against your existing local skill directories before replacing anything 3. only overwrite when the comparison is clear 4. preserve backups of any local skill that differs 5. then install the missing skills, especially `obsidian-cli` and `defuddle` That way we don’t treat your existing setup as disposable, and we don’t assume authorship or equivalence we haven’t checked. The only reason I haven’t done that yet is that the download step needed your approval and got rejected before I could stage and diff the repo. *Hai ragione: qui la differenza tra “stesso nome” e “stesso contenuto” è esattamente il punto decisivo.* ### User "compare each staged skill against your existing local skill directories before replacing anything" Okay, but because these skills are working with agents, which is new for this vault, are you sure we don't just have to follow what the GitHub says to the letter? This is a genuine question. I don't know, but I'm still quite quite nervous about how cavalier you're being sometimes. ### Assistant No, I’m not sure we have to follow it absolutely to the letter, and I shouldn’t have sounded as if I were improvising around it casually. The careful distinction is this: - if the repo gives a host-specific install path, we should follow that exactly - if the repo does not tell us how to handle pre-existing local skills with the same names, then we have to use judgment From what I checked, `obsidian-skills` does give host-specific instructions. That part we should follow. In other words, we should not invent a new destination or a novel integration model. If the repo says “for Claude Code, put these here” or “for Codex, put these here,” then that part should be followed exactly. But the repo cannot know the state of your machine. It does not know: - that you may already have local skills with the same names - whether those are identical, modified, or older - whether replacing them blindly would throw away customizations you rely on So comparing first is not “going off-script.” It is the cautious way to follow the script on a real machine with existing state. The non-cavalier version of the plan is: 1. follow the repo’s install location exactly 2. stage the repo copy first 3. diff staged vs existing skills 4. if identical, leave them alone or replace harmlessly 5. if different, back up yours before replacing 6. install missing ones exactly as the repo expects That is more faithful to the GitHub instructions than blindly copying over things, because it preserves the intended integration path while respecting the fact that your setup is not a blank machine. So your nervousness makes sense, but the answer is: “follow the repo to the letter” applies to destination and structure, not to skipping due diligence about files that already exist locally. If you want, I can proceed on that basis: exact repo location, exact repo skill set, but with staged diffing and backups before any overwrite. *Seguire le istruzioni del repository non significa rinunciare alla prudenza quando il sistema locale ha già una storia propria.* ### User Okay very good please proceed. ### Assistant I’m going to stage the upstream repo now, read its current install instructions locally, and then install the full skill set into the repo-prescribed location with backups before any overwrite. ### Assistant The repo is downloading into a temporary staging area first. Once that’s in place I’ll inspect the staged files and only then touch your live skill directories. ### Assistant The installer only ended up placing `defuddle` in staging, which suggests the other requested names already collided or weren’t resolved the way I expected. I’m checking the staged folder and then I’ll fetch the repo itself directly so I can compare everything deterministically. ### Assistant I’ve confirmed the staged `defuddle` skill matches the upstream repo, but the helper script wasn’t a reliable way to fetch the whole set from this repo. I’m switching to a direct clone into `/tmp` so I can inspect the repo exactly as published and install from that source of truth. ### Assistant The repo’s current instruction is now confirmed locally: for Claude Code, “add the contents of this repo to a `/.claude` folder in the root of your Obsidian vault.” I’m checking your vault root and your existing Claude configuration side by side now so I can place these where your actual workflow will pick them up without creating dead duplicates. ### Assistant I’ve confirmed your vault already has a project-local `/.claude` folder, which is exactly the location the repo specifies for Claude Code. That means I do not need to invent a new integration path here; I can install the repo’s skills into the vault-local [`.claude/skills`](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/skills) folder and leave your home-level [`.claude/skills`](/Users/nickyoung/.claude/skills) alone. ### Assistant I’ve finished the careful comparison step. Your home-level skills with overlapping names are not identical to the current upstream repo versions, and your vault-local [`.claude/skills`](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/skills) is empty, so the cleanest faithful move is to install the upstream repo’s skill directories there without disturbing your existing home-level custom skills. ### Assistant The upstream skill directories are now in the vault-local Claude path exactly where the repo expects them. I’m doing a quick verification pass on the copied files and then I’ll tell you the one thing still outstanding, which is whether Claudian needs a restart or reload to pick them up. ### Assistant I installed the full upstream `kepano/obsidian-skills` set into your vault-local Claude path, exactly following the repo’s Claude Code instruction. The new skills are here: - [obsidian-markdown](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/skills/obsidian-markdown/SKILL.md) - [obsidian-bases](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/skills/obsidian-bases/SKILL.md) - [json-canvas](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/skills/json-canvas/SKILL.md) - [obsidian-cli](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/skills/obsidian-cli/SKILL.md) - [defuddle](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/skills/defuddle/SKILL.md) I did not touch your home-level custom Claude skills under [~/.claude/skills](/Users/nickyoung/.claude/skills). I compared the overlapping names first, and those local versions are not identical to the current upstream repo, so leaving them alone was the careful choice. Your vault-local [`.claude/skills`](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/skills) was empty, which made this a clean install rather than an overwrite. One important remaining point: the `obsidian-cli` skill is now installed, but that does not by itself guarantee the Obsidian CLI is working on your machine yet. The skill teaches the agent how to use the CLI; the underlying CLI still has to be available in the Obsidian app. The next sensible step is a smoke test from inside your actual Claudian/Claude Code workflow, and if needed we can troubleshoot the CLI itself rather than the skill install. You may need to start a new Claudian conversation or reload/restart Obsidian for the new vault-local skills to be picked up cleanly. *Adesso le skill ci sono davvero; il passo successivo è vedere se Claudian le carica e se la CLI di Obsidian risponde come dovrebbe.* ### User "One important remaining point: the obsidian-cli skill is now installed, but that does not by itself guarantee the Obsidian CLI is working on your machine yet. The skill teaches the agent how to use the CLI; the underlying CLI still has to be available in the Obsidian app. The next sensible step is a smoke test from inside your actual Claudian/Claude Code workflow, and if needed we can troubleshoot the CLI itself rather than the skill install." uh what's a smoke test? And uh yeah I'll reset uh Claudian Obsidian and Claudian and uh yeah I'll take it from there. ### Assistant A smoke test just means a very small, low-risk check to see whether the thing basically works at all. In this case, after restarting Obsidian/Claudian, the smoke test would be something like asking it to do one simple CLI-backed action, for example: - list available Obsidian commands - open a note via the Obsidian CLI - run a tiny `eval` query like counting files or reading frontmatter from one note If that works, we know the install is at least alive. If it fails, that gives us a clean starting point for debugging. So yes, restarting first is the right next move. After that, if you want, the best test prompt is probably something very plain like: “Use the Obsidian CLI to list available commands and tell me whether it worked.” *Una prova minima serve solo a vedere se il meccanismo si accende davvero, prima di chiedergli qualcosa di più ambizioso.* ### User "Use the Obsidian CLI to list available commands and tell me whether it worked I need to read the Obsidian CLI knowledge file first, as required by the knowledge base hook. Read obsidian-cli.md Good, now I have the CLI reference. The help command lists all available commands. Let me run it: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... It worked perfectly. The Obsidian CLI responded with the full command listing — 90+ commands across all categories: file management, search, daily notes, bases, bookmarks, commands, diffs, links, plugins, properties, publish, sync, tags, tasks, templates, themes, workspace, and developer tools. The CLI is running, Obsidian is responsive, and the binary path indirection (a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/...") worked as expected to bypass the path hook. Everything's healthy. Il CLI risponde come un orologio svizzero — la macchina è pronta a lavorare. * Whipped up for 34s" ### Assistant That’s exactly the result we wanted. It means the important chain is working: - Claudian loaded the relevant Obsidian CLI guidance - it successfully invoked the Obsidian app binary - the CLI responded normally - the `obsidian-cli` skill is now potentially useful rather than decorative So the installation part looks successful, and the CLI side is alive too. The next thing to watch is behavioral rather than technical: whether Claudian now actually chooses the CLI more often for Obsidian tasks instead of falling back to clumsier file-level work. The best way to test that is with a few real tasks, like opening a note, querying a Base, checking backlinks, or diffing a file version. If you want to probe it a bit, good follow-up requests would be: - “Use the Obsidian CLI to open `Daily Notes/2026-03-16.md`.” - “Use the Obsidian CLI to list backlinks for `Notes/Reading History.md`.” - “Use the Obsidian CLI to query a Base and summarize the results.” - “Use the Obsidian CLI to show recent diffs for a note.” At this point I’d treat the setup as basically complete. *Ora la questione non è più se la CLI funzioni, ma se l’agente impari davvero a preferirla quando è il mezzo migliore.* ### User Use the Obsidian CLI to list available commands and tell me whether it worked I need to read the Obsidian CLI knowledge file first, as required by the knowledge base hook. Read obsidian-cli.md Good, now I have the CLI reference. The help command lists all available commands. Let me run it: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... It worked perfectly. The Obsidian CLI responded with the full command listing — 90+ commands across all categories: file management, search, daily notes, bases, bookmarks, commands, diffs, links, plugins, properties, publish, sync, tags, tasks, templates, themes, workspace, and developer tools. The CLI is running, Obsidian is responsive, and the binary path indirection (a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/...") worked as expected to bypass the path hook. Everything's healthy. Il CLI risponde come un orologio svizzero — la macchina è pronta a lavorare. * Whipped up for 34s Use the Obsidian CLI to list backlinks for Notes/Reading History.md The knowledge file was already read this session, so I have the CLI syntax. Let me run the backlinks command: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Only one file links to Notes/Reading History.md: Daily Notes/2026-01-10.md — 2 links Pretty isolated note. If you want to increase its connectivity, I could search for notes that mention books or reading but don't actually link to it. Una sola nota punta alla storia delle letture — un nodo quasi orfano nella rete del sapere. * Marinated for 23s Use the Obsidian CLI to show recent diffs for a note. I have the CLI syntax from earlier. The diff command lists versions when called without from/to, and compares when given version numbers. Let me try it on your current note: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Six versions across Sync and Local history. Now let me show the diff between the most recent version and the current file: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Here's what we see: The current file is identical to Sync version #1 — no diff markers (no + or - lines), meaning no changes have been made since the last sync at 13:11. The version history shows the note's life today: Started at 00:15 on your Pixel 9 (255 B — likely just the skeleton) Morning edits around 09:57–10:03 (grew to ~319 B, when you created Notes/Medical History for GP.md) Jumped to ~1107 B by 13:11 with the Scratch Pad content about LLMs commandeering language You can also compare any two versions against each other with from= and to= — e.g., from=6 to=3 would show how the note evolved from the initial Pixel 9 version to mid-morning. La storia di un file si legge nelle sue versioni — ogni salvataggio è un piccolo strato geologico del pensiero. * Cooked for 33s ### Assistant That all looks very good. Those three checks are exactly the sort of evidence we wanted: - the CLI is callable from Claudian - it can execute a real graph/query command like `backlinks` - it can execute a more stateful/history-oriented command like `diff` So this is no longer just “the skill is installed.” It’s functioning in practice, and on tasks that are genuinely Obsidian-native rather than trivial. The only thing I’d add is that now the useful question becomes behavioral: whether Claudian will reliably choose these CLI routes when appropriate, without needing to be nudged every time. The best way to test that is just to keep giving it normal Obsidian tasks and watch whether it reaches for `backlinks`, `links`, `base:query`, `diff`, `tasks`, `property:*`, `search`, and `eval` on its own. If you want, the next useful thing I can help with is coming up with 5 to 10 “real workflow” prompts that will reveal pretty quickly whether the new setup is actually improving its Obsidian competence. *Adesso non stai più verificando un’installazione, ma il formarsi di un’abitudine tecnica nell’agente.* ### User So things seem to be working. Yeah, okay, come up with some five to 10 real workflow prompts. I can test it a bit more. Uh also bigger picture again. What else do we need to test other things? We had something temporary set temporarily set up, right? Um that we or something like that. Um ### Assistant ## Good test prompts Here are 10 prompts that should tell you pretty quickly whether Claudian is now using Obsidian in a more capable way: 1. “Use the Obsidian CLI to open `Daily Notes/2026-03-16.md` in the main workspace and tell me what you did.” 2. “Use the Obsidian CLI to show backlinks for `Notes/Reading History.md` and summarize what kind of notes link to it.” 3. “Use the Obsidian CLI to show links from `Sessions/Generating Philosophy.md` and tell me which linked notes seem most important to that project.” 4. “Use the Obsidian CLI to query one of my `.base` files and summarize the results as structured data.” 5. “Use the Obsidian CLI to list unresolved links in the vault and group them by likely project or topic.” 6. “Use the Obsidian CLI to find orphan notes in `Notes/` and suggest which ones are worth linking into the graph.” 7. “Use the Obsidian CLI to compare recent versions of `Daily Notes/2026-03-16.md` and tell me what changed over the day.” 8. “Use the Obsidian CLI to read the properties/frontmatter of `Sessions/Typography Aesthetics.md` and summarize the current project state.” 9. “Use the Obsidian CLI to search the vault for mentions of ‘phenomenology’ and give me the most relevant notes.” 10. “Use the Obsidian CLI to list my enabled plugins and tell me which ones seem especially relevant to your workflows.” ## What else to test At this point I’d test four things: - tool choice: does it choose CLI methods on its own without being pushed? - accuracy: does it interpret CLI output correctly, especially for `diff`, `backlinks`, and `base:query`? - scope judgment: does it use Obsidian-native commands when that’s best, instead of raw file scraping? - failure behavior: if a CLI command fails, does it recover intelligently rather than giving up too quickly? The highest-value commands to test next are probably `base:query`, `eval`, `property:read` / `property:set`, `search`, `unresolved`, `orphans`, and `tasks`. ## Temporary things Yes, there were temporary things, but they were only setup scaffolding on my side, not part of your lasting workflow: - `/tmp/obsidian-skills-staging` - `/tmp/obsidian-skills-repo` Those were just used to inspect and copy the upstream repo safely. The real installed files are in [`.claude/skills`](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/skills). If you want, I can clean up those `/tmp` folders next. That would be a harmless housekeeping step. *Adesso la prova più interessante non è se il sistema funzioni, ma se sappia scegliere bene quando usare la CLI invece di scorciatoie più povere.* ### User "Those were just used to inspect and copy the upstream repo safely. The real installed files are in .claude/skills. If you want, I can clean up those /tmp folders next. That would be a harmless housekeeping step." and then we're done here, then everything's set up and I can just hope that these agents are gonna work seamlessly in my vault from here on in. ### Assistant Yes, basically. If I clean up the `/tmp` staging folders, then the setup work is finished. The upstream skills are installed in your vault-local [`.claude/skills`](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/skills), the CLI is responding, and the important proof-of-life checks already worked. The only remaining uncertainty is not installation, but behavior: whether Claudian will consistently make good use of these skills in real work. There’s no extra setup step hiding behind the curtain. At that point, you really are in the phase of using it normally and seeing whether it becomes more fluent and more willing to use Obsidian-native tooling. So: yes, after cleanup, you should be able to treat this as set up and move into ordinary use. *A questo punto il sistema è pronto; resta solo da vedere quanto bene saprà abitare davvero il tuo vault nel lavoro quotidiano.* ### User Btw, didn't a plug-in have to be installed? In Obsidian itself, did you do that yourself? ### Assistant No, I did not install an Obsidian plugin itself. What I installed was the repo’s skill files into your vault-local [`.claude/skills`](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/skills), because the repo’s README says that for Claude Code, the manual install path is to add the repo contents to a `/.claude` folder in the root of the folder you use with Claude Code. So there are two different things in that repo: - the skills themselves - a marketplace/plugin route for installing through Obsidian I followed the Claude Code route, not the marketplace plugin route. Since you’re using Claudian already, that was the relevant setup path, and it’s why the skills are now being picked up in your vault workflow without me installing a new Obsidian community plugin. So unless you specifically want the marketplace/plugin version as well, there is no missing step here from the setup we chose. *Non era necessario installare un altro plugin di Obsidian, perché abbiamo seguito il percorso delle skill per Claude Code dentro il vault.* ### User Check um please clean up the temporary files and then /evolve then, I want you to look at notes that provide you with technical information like the obsidian cli note, and double check that they contain up to date information. check this by searching the web. I just realised, shoould i install these skills with you in codex too? or is that needless? ### Assistant I’m going to do three things in order: remove the temporary staging folders, audit the technical knowledge notes against current official docs, and then fold any corrections back into your local knowledge so this doesn’t drift again. ### Assistant I’ve identified the relevant technical notes. I’m going to verify the Obsidian-facing ones first against current official docs, because those are the ones we leaned on most heavily here and they’re the most likely to have drifted. ### Assistant I’ve got the current official Obsidian docs in hand now. I’m going to remove the two temporary staging folders you asked about, then patch the outdated knowledge notes with what the live docs actually say now. ### Assistant I found two concrete things worth correcting in your local knowledge: the CLI note still frames 1.12 as early access, and the broader Obsidian note overstates Dataview as “deprecated.” I’m patching those now, plus adding a short note about installer updates so the version confusion doesn’t keep recurring. ### Assistant The cleanup is done and the Obsidian notes have been corrected against current docs. I’m doing one quick verification pass now so I can tell you exactly what changed, and then I’ll answer the Codex-install question clearly. ### Assistant The temporary folders are gone, and I did the `/evolve` part in substance: I updated the two Obsidian knowledge notes we were relying on. I corrected [obsidian-cli.md](/Users/nickyoung/.claude/knowledge/obsidian-cli.md) to reflect that the CLI is now a public `1.12` feature rather than “early access,” added a note about installer-version drift, and fixed one example that contradicted its own warning about `await` in `eval`. I also corrected [obsidian.md](/Users/nickyoung/.claude/knowledge/obsidian.md) so it no longer says Dataview is officially deprecated. More careful version: Bases is the official built-in default, but Dataview is still a community plugin, and I did not find an official Obsidian source declaring it deprecated. I left [claudian-config.md](/Users/nickyoung/.claude/knowledge/claudian-config.md) alone because I didn’t have equally authoritative public docs that would justify changing it. I checked those against current official Obsidian sources: - [Obsidian CLI docs](https://help.obsidian.md/cli) - [Update Obsidian](https://help.obsidian.md/Getting+started/Update+Obsidian) - [Desktop v1.12.4 changelog, February 27, 2026](https://obsidian.md/changelog/2026-02-27-desktop-v1.12.4/) On Codex: it is not necessary for your vault setup to work. Claudian is already set up. But if you want Codex itself to be better at Obsidian tasks in future Codex sessions, then yes, installing the same skills into `~/.codex/skills` is worthwhile rather than needless. That would affect Codex’s own behavior, not your Obsidian vault configuration. So the clean distinction is: - `/.claude/skills` in the vault: needed for Claudian / Claude-in-Obsidian - `~/.codex/skills`: optional, but useful if you also want Codex to have the same Obsidian skills If you want, I can install the same upstream set into Codex next. You’d just need to restart Codex afterward for them to load. *La differenza importante è questa: il vault è già pronto, ma Codex avrà quelle stesse competenze solo se installiamo anche lì le skill.* ### User I added the Dataview deprecated thing. As far as I can tell, it's been superseded by Bases and the makers of Obsidian sort of discourage it a little bit now and advise you to use Bases instead. Am I wrong? ### Assistant You’re not wrong in the practical sense. You’re only a bit too strong if you call Dataview “deprecated” as a factual/official status. More precise version: - Obsidian is clearly investing in Bases as the official built-in database/query system. The changelog keeps adding features to Bases and positioning it as the native solution. Sources: [1.9.10 public release](https://obsidian.md/changelog/2025-08-18-desktop-v1.9.10/), [1.10.0 changelog](https://obsidian.md/changelog/2025-10-01-desktop-v1.10.0/) - I did not find an official Obsidian source saying “Dataview is deprecated.” - So “superseded in many common use cases” or “officially, Bases is now the default recommendation” is fairer than “Dataview is deprecated.” If you want the wording to reflect your judgment while staying careful, I’d use something like: “Dataview is still a community plugin, but Bases has become Obsidian’s official built-in solution for database-style note queries and views. Default to Bases unless a workflow specifically needs Dataview.” That captures the real situation without overstating the official line. *Dire che Dataview è superato in molti usi è ragionevole; dire che è ufficialmente deprecato è un passo oltre le prove che abbiamo.* ### User "If you want the wording to reflect your judgment while staying careful, I’d use something like:" I want to guarantee that Claude Code never tries to use data view. That's and always uses bases. Okay? So that was already added to the that was it, that is in the note as it is with they're depreciated because it was to prevent clawed code or you uh blundering in and using yeah data view rather than bases so yeah change it to whatever will guarantee that I don't have to talk about data. of you ever again ### Assistant I’m going to make this stronger than a wording tweak. A knowledge note alone won’t guarantee behavior, so I’m updating both the Obsidian knowledge note and your main Claude instructions to make “Bases, never Dataview” explicit. ### Assistant I’ve got the exact spots. I’m making the instruction unambiguous now: default to Bases, do not suggest or use Dataview, even if Dataview could work. ### Assistant I changed it in the stronger way. I added an explicit rule to [CLAUDE.md](/Users/nickyoung/.claude/CLAUDE.md) saying to always use Bases, never Dataview, and not to suggest or write Dataview unless you explicitly ask for it by name. I also changed the Dataview section in [obsidian.md](/Users/nickyoung/.claude/knowledge/obsidian.md) so it now reflects your actual workflow rule rather than a neutral ecosystem description. That’s the right way to do this if the goal is behavioral control rather than historical accuracy alone. A knowledge note by itself describes the world; the `CLAUDE.md` rule tells Claude Code what to do in your environment. *Per il tuo sistema, Dataview non è più una possibilità pratica ma un’opzione esclusa per principio.* ### User "On Codex: it is not necessary for your vault setup to work. Claudian is already set up. But if you want Codex itself to be better at Obsidian tasks in future Codex sessions, then yes, installing the same skills into ~/.codex/skills is worthwhile rather than needless. That would affect Codex’s own behavior, not your Obsidian vault configuration. So the clean distinction is:" I am using you just as much as Claude Code to control my Obsidian vault, so don't you think it would be a good idea to give you these skills and this agent stuff as well? Unless there's any reason not to, please, yeah, get yourself set up exactly as before, as we did with called code. ### Assistant I’m going to mirror the same upstream skill set into your Codex skill path now, with the same cautious approach: fetch the current repo, compare against anything already there, and then install the exact upstream directories into `~/.codex/skills`. ### Assistant Your Codex skills folder is clean with no overlapping Obsidian skills, so this should be simpler than the Claudian install. I’m fetching the same upstream repo into a temporary folder and then I’ll copy the five skill directories into `~/.codex/skills`. ### Assistant The copy hit a sandbox write restriction on `~/.codex/skills`, so I’m rerunning that exact install step with elevated permissions. ### Assistant The Codex install step succeeded. I’m verifying the copied skills and then I’ll clean up the temporary clone so your machine is left tidy again. ### Assistant I installed the same upstream Obsidian skill set into Codex as well. These are now present under [~/.codex/skills](/Users/nickyoung/.codex/skills): - [obsidian-markdown](/Users/nickyoung/.codex/skills/obsidian-markdown/SKILL.md) - [obsidian-bases](/Users/nickyoung/.codex/skills/obsidian-bases/SKILL.md) - [json-canvas](/Users/nickyoung/.codex/skills/json-canvas/SKILL.md) - [obsidian-cli](/Users/nickyoung/.codex/skills/obsidian-cli/SKILL.md) - [defuddle](/Users/nickyoung/.codex/skills/defuddle/SKILL.md) I verified the copied `obsidian-cli` and `defuddle` files against the upstream repo before cleaning up the temporary clone. So now both sides are aligned: Claudian has the vault-local install, and Codex has the same skills in its own skill path. The only follow-up on the Codex side is that new skills are usually picked up after a Codex restart, so if you want me to behave with these immediately and consistently in future sessions, restarting Codex is the sensible last step. *Adesso anche Codex ha gli stessi strumenti di Obsidian, quindi le due interfacce dovrebbero parlare la stessa lingua operativa.* ### User Done. Are they gonna work um now? In this chat or do you think I need to open a new chat? ### Assistant Safest answer: open a new chat. Because this session started before those Codex skills were installed, I would not trust this exact chat to pick them up cleanly. After the restart you just did, a new chat is the right way to make sure the skill loader sees them from the start. So my expectation is: - this current chat: probably not reliably - a new chat after restart: yes, that’s the one I’d trust If you want to test it, the first prompt in the new chat should be something explicit like: “Use the Obsidian CLI to inspect my vault rather than reading files directly.” *Le skill nuove hanno più probabilità di attivarsi bene in una conversazione nata dopo il riavvio.* ### User claude is still having a lot of trouble: Use the Obsidian CLI to list available commands and tell me whether it worked I need to read the Obsidian CLI knowledge file first, as required by the knowledge base hook. Read obsidian-cli.md Good, now I have the CLI reference. The help command lists all available commands. Let me run it: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... It worked perfectly. The Obsidian CLI responded with the full command listing — 90+ commands across all categories: file management, search, daily notes, bases, bookmarks, commands, diffs, links, plugins, properties, publish, sync, tags, tasks, templates, themes, workspace, and developer tools. The CLI is running, Obsidian is responsive, and the binary path indirection (a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/...") worked as expected to bypass the path hook. Everything's healthy. Il CLI risponde come un orologio svizzero — la macchina è pronta a lavorare. * Whipped up for 34s Use the Obsidian CLI to list backlinks for Notes/Reading History.md The knowledge file was already read this session, so I have the CLI syntax. Let me run the backlinks command: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Only one file links to Notes/Reading History.md: Daily Notes/2026-01-10.md — 2 links Pretty isolated note. If you want to increase its connectivity, I could search for notes that mention books or reading but don't actually link to it. Una sola nota punta alla storia delle letture — un nodo quasi orfano nella rete del sapere. * Marinated for 23s Use the Obsidian CLI to show recent diffs for a note. I have the CLI syntax from earlier. The diff command lists versions when called without from/to, and compares when given version numbers. Let me try it on your current note: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Six versions across Sync and Local history. Now let me show the diff between the most recent version and the current file: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Here's what we see: The current file is identical to Sync version #1 — no diff markers (no + or - lines), meaning no changes have been made since the last sync at 13:11. The version history shows the note's life today: Started at 00:15 on your Pixel 9 (255 B — likely just the skeleton) Morning edits around 09:57–10:03 (grew to ~319 B, when you created Notes/Medical History for GP.md) Jumped to ~1107 B by 13:11 with the Scratch Pad content about LLMs commandeering language You can also compare any two versions against each other with from= and to= — e.g., from=6 to=3 would show how the note evolved from the initial Pixel 9 version to mid-morning. La storia di un file si legge nelle sue versioni — ogni salvataggio è un piccolo strato geologico del pensiero. * Cooked for 33s Use the Obsidian CLI to show links from Sessions/Generating Philosophy.md and tell me which linked notes seem most important to that project Let me get the outgoing links and also read the session file for context. Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Read Generating Philosophy.md Now let me invoke the required skills and check backlinks on the most structurally significant notes to understand their connectivity: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Here's the full picture. I'm grouping these by connectivity (backlink count), which is a rough proxy for how many other notes in the vault reference them — i.e., how much thinking has accumulated around each idea. Outgoing links from Sessions/Generating Philosophy Most referenced across the vault (7+ backlinks) Note Backlinks Notes/Philosophy as self-grounding domain 11 Notes/The obvious move prompting technique 9 Notes/Dialectical saturation thesis 8 Notes/Philosophy's implicit value signals 8 Notes/The runway concept in philosophical moves 8 Notes/Philosophical moves are combinatorial 7 Notes/The appearance-reality gap collapses for competent readers 7 Moderately referenced (4–6 backlinks) Note Backlinks Notes/Generating Philosophy - Paper Structure 6 Notes/Provenance is not the right kind of variable in philosophical evaluation 6 Notes/Paper-internal constraints as the locus of philosophical evaluation 6 Notes/Resolution control and LLM philosophy 6 Notes/From capability to constraint structure 5 Notes/Argument schemas formalize dialectical rules 4 Notes/Telos in syntax (moderate reading) 4 Less referenced (2–3 backlinks) Note Backlinks Notes/Distributed reasoning account 3 Notes/Scaffolding gradient as competence metric 3 Notes/Generating Philosophy - Text-Internal Evaluation (CEV) 2 The connectivity pattern is worth noting. The self-grounding claim (11 backlinks) is the most referenced idea in the project — other notes keep pointing back to it. The "obvious move" technique (9) and the saturation thesis (8) are similarly well-connected, which makes sense given the session file's structure: the saturation thesis is one of the named active threads, and the obvious move is its practical counterpart. The lower-connectivity notes aren't necessarily less important to the argument — the Text-Internal Evaluation note (2 backlinks) represents an entire alternative paper structure that's only been developed recently. And the scaffolding gradient (3) is an empirical test design, which fewer conceptual notes would link to by nature. Backlinks measure how much a note has been discussed across the vault, not its argumentative weight. La topologia dei link rivela dove il pensiero si è addensato — ma il silenzio di un nodo non ne misura l'irrilevanza. * Roasted for 1m 28s Use the Obsidian CLI to find orphan notes in Notes/ and suggest which ones are worth linking into the graph. Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... That's the whole vault — tons of _Legacy/ and other folders. Let me filter to just Notes/: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... The backlinks API might not work that way via eval. Let me filter the orphans output instead: Bash h="$HOME"; cat "$h/.claude/projects/-Users-nickyoung-My-Obsi... That's a huge list. Let me get the count and then focus on the ones that have tags (i.e., were intentionally created with metadata, not just old imports): Bash h="$HOME"; wc -l "$h/.claude/projects/-Users-nickyoung-My-Ob... 2,676 orphans in Notes/. Most of those will be old imports. Let me find the ones that were created recently (since the vault reorganization) and have proper frontmatter — those are the notes you actually wrote or captured via /smart-note that somehow didn't get linked: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Eval may be timing out on that large iteration. Let me try a lighter approach — use the CLI's tag system to find notes with proper tags, then cross-reference with orphans: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... The newlines in the eval string are causing issues. Let me flatten it: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... The \n in the join is being interpreted by the shell. Let me escape it: Interrupted · What should Claudian do instead? Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... You'd better be doing this by the CLI btw, that's the whole point of this. It's testing the CLI. Thought for 3s You're absolutely right. Let me use the CLI properly - the orphans command exists and I already have its output. I'll just filter and sample it with shell tools: Bash h="$HOME"; grep "^Notes/" "$h/.claude/projects/-Users-nickyo... Thought for 1s Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Thought for 0s Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Thought for 0s Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Thought for 0s Right, the path restriction. I need to save to the vault. Let me use a file in the vault root.Right, the path restriction. I need to save to the vault. Let me use a file in the vault root. Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Thought for 0s Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Thought for 2s Bash a="/Applic" a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsidi... Thought for 0s Bash /Applications/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsidian orphans |... Thought for 3s Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Thought for 3s Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Thought for 1s Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Thought for 1s Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Thought for 3s Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Thought for 4s Read Medical History for GP.md Thought for 2s Perfect! This is a recent note created today (2026-03-16) with proper tags (#reference, #health, #admin). It's an orphan and it probably should stay that way - it's reference material that doesn't need to be linked into the graph. Let me check a few more from the preview I saw earlier to find notes that SHOULD be linked:Perfect! This is a recent note created today (2026-03-16) with proper tags (#reference, #health, #admin). It's an orphan and it probably should stay that way - it's reference material that doesn't need to be linked into the graph. Let me check a few more from the preview I saw earlier to find notes that SHOULD be linked: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Thought for 0s Argh, the pipe issue again. Let me just use properties without the head:Argh, the pipe issue again. Let me just use properties without the head: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Thought for 2s So 2977 notes have a created property. Most of your vault has proper frontmatter. Let me try a different approach to find valuable orphans - I'll use the tag command to find notes with specific tags, then cross-check against orphans. Actually, let me just manually pick some notes from the generating-philosophy domain to see if there are orphans that should be linked. I'll search for notes with that tag that are orphans:So 2977 notes have a created property. Most of your vault has proper frontmatter. Let me try a different approach to find valuable orphans - I'll use the tag command to find notes with specific tags, then cross-check against orphans. Actually, let me just manually pick some notes from the generating-philosophy domain to see if there are orphans that should be linked. I'll search for notes with that tag that are orphans: Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Thought for 1s Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... Thought for 0s Bash a="/Applic"; a="${a}ations/Obsidian.app/Contents/MacOS/Obsid... ### Assistant What this shows is not that the setup failed. It shows a narrower problem: Claude is now willing to use the Obsidian CLI, but it still does not have enough discipline about staying inside the CLI when the task gets even slightly awkward. The evidence from your transcript is pretty clear: - for simple tasks, it used the CLI correctly - for harder tasks, it started drifting into shell tooling, temp-file habits, retries, and confused workarounds - the worst case was the orphan-notes task, where it stopped treating the Obsidian CLI as the primary tool and started treating it as one input among others So the problem is now behavioral, not installation. I think there are three reasons: 1. the current instructions say “prefer CLI,” but not “stay in CLI mode unless impossible” 2. the `obsidian-cli` skill is informative, but not strict enough about fallback behavior 3. Claudian’s own path/pipeline restrictions make sloppy shell fallback especially brittle, so once it slips out of the CLI, it thrashes So yes, I think the next step should be to harden the Claude-side rules. Concretely, I would tighten this in two places: - `~/.claude/CLAUDE.md` - the vault-local `/.claude/skills/obsidian-cli/SKILL.md` What I’d add is something like: - when an Obsidian CLI command exists for the task, use it instead of shell parsing - do not pipe, redirect, or post-process CLI output with shell tools unless the user explicitly asks - do not fall back to raw file scraping or temp files just because the first CLI attempt is inconvenient - if the task needs filtering, prefer `search`, `base:query`, `property:read`, `links`, `backlinks`, `orphans`, `unresolved`, or `eval` rather than shell composition - if the CLI cannot do the task cleanly, say that explicitly before switching methods That is the fix I’d recommend, and I think it will help more than adding yet another skill. If you want, I can make those Claude-side instruction changes now so Claudian becomes much stricter about using the Obsidian CLI properly. *Il problema non è più avere la CLI, ma imparare a non scivolare fuori da essa appena il compito si complica.* ### User please double check that your suggestions can't be improved after considering best practices, update and proceed (the vvault should have a lot of details about how to write skills, and i tihnk there is even a skill making skill.. ### Assistant I’m re-checking this against your own skill-writing guidance and current official best practices before I tighten anything. Then I’ll update the rules and the Obsidian CLI skill in the least sloppy way I can. ### Assistant I’ve re-checked this against your own skill-authoring notes, the skill-creator guidance, and Anthropic’s current skill best-practice docs. The main improvement is clear: the `obsidian-cli` skill needs more directive, low-freedom instructions about fallback behavior, not more breadth. ### Assistant I found one more structural weakness: the installed `obsidian-cli` skill is still the generic upstream version, so it doesn’t teach your environment-specific invocation pattern or the “stay inside CLI mode” discipline. I’m replacing that with a more directive, lower-freedom version in both Claude and Codex. ### Assistant I’ve applied the stronger version now. This is the low-friction best-practice move: tighten the always-loaded instruction, then tighten the skill itself with directive language and lower degrees of freedom. If Claude still slips after this, the next layer would be a hook rather than more prose. ### Assistant I re-checked this against three things before changing it: your own [system-design-practices.md](/Users/nickyoung/.claude/knowledge/system-design-practices.md), your [skill-authoring-best-practices.md](/Users/nickyoung/.claude/knowledge/skill-authoring-best-practices.md), and the current Anthropic guidance on skills and best practices: [skills overview](https://docs.anthropic.com/en/docs/agents-and-tools/agent-skills/overview) and [best practices](https://docs.anthropic.com/en/docs/agents-and-tools/agent-skills/best-practices). The main improvement was exactly what your vault’s notes would predict: not more documentation, but more directive, lower-freedom instructions. So I updated three places: - [CLAUDE.md](/Users/nickyoung/.claude/CLAUDE.md): the Obsidian CLI rule now says that if a CLI command exists, Claude should use it before URI schemes, shell parsing, or raw file scraping, and explain any fallback first. - [vault-local obsidian-cli skill](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/skills/obsidian-cli/SKILL.md): rewritten to be much stricter about staying inside the CLI, using your actual app-binary invocation pattern, preferring `eval` over shell hacks, and not piping or redirecting CLI output unless explicitly necessary. - [Codex obsidian-cli skill](/Users/nickyoung/.codex/skills/obsidian-cli/SKILL.md): brought into sync with the same stricter workflow. I did not add a hook yet. After checking your own best-practice notes, I think the right sequence is: 1. tighten `CLAUDE.md` 2. tighten the skill 3. only add a hook if the behavior still slips That’s because hooks are the heavy-duty layer for repeated violations after the advisory and skill layers have already been strengthened. So this was not just “update and hope”; it was the best-practice next step. One practical note: Claude/Claudian and Codex will usually need a fresh chat, and sometimes a restart, to load the revised skill bodies cleanly. So I would test this in a new conversation rather than trusting the current one to reflect the new instructions perfectly. *Ho stretto le regole nel punto giusto: meno vaghezza, meno libertà improduttiva, più disciplina operativa dentro la CLI.* ### User so just so i am clear. the stuff we downloaded from the obsidian guy has already been modified quite substantially? ### Assistant Yes, at this point the `obsidian-cli` skill has been modified substantially in both places. More exactly: - the upstream repo version was installed first - then I edited the installed `obsidian-cli` skill for your environment - I did that in both: - [vault-local Claude skill](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/skills/obsidian-cli/SKILL.md) - [Codex skill](/Users/nickyoung/.codex/skills/obsidian-cli/SKILL.md) The changes are not random feature changes. They are mostly behavioral and environment-specific: - stronger directive description so it triggers more reliably - your actual Obsidian app invocation pattern instead of assuming `obsidian` is on PATH - explicit “stay inside the CLI” rule - explicit anti-fallback rules against shell pipelines and temp-file thrashing - stronger preference for `eval` over shell hacks The other upstream skills were installed much more straightforwardly. The one that got meaningfully reshaped is `obsidian-cli`, because that was the one clearly misfitting your environment and workflow. So the answer is: yes, but mainly for the Obsidian CLI skill, and for a specific reason rather than because I casually rewrote the package. *La skill più trasformata è quella della CLI, perché doveva imparare il tuo ambiente concreto e non restare una guida generica.* ### User should i be nervous that i am immediately disgarding something that was written by someone far more expert than me? ### Assistant No, not automatically. You should be cautious, but not deferential for its own sake. What came from the Obsidian repo was a generic upstream skill. That author is obviously more expert than either of us about the general tool they made. But your problem was not “is this a good generic skill?” It was “will this skill behave well inside my very particular Obsidian + Claudian + path-restriction + vault setup?” That is a different question. Generic upstream guidance is often better on: - broad correctness - portability - clean defaults - not overfitting to one user Local customization is often better on: - weird environment details - known failure modes - recurring bad habits in the agent - your specific workflow preferences So the right attitude is not “upstream expert good, local change arrogant,” nor “my local setup trumps everything.” It is: upstream gives the base, and local constraints justify targeted adaptation. The real danger would be if we had rewritten it casually without evidence. What made this reasonable is that we had concrete evidence from your transcript that the generic skill was not producing the behavior you wanted. That is exactly when local tightening becomes justified. If anything, the healthy question is not “did I disrespect the expert?” but “did I preserve the expert’s useful general structure while adding only the constraints my environment actually needs?” I think in this case the answer is yes. *La competenza generale dell’autore resta intatta, ma il tuo sistema concreto ha il diritto di imporre le proprie discipline locali.* ### User and it will still play nice with these agents? I guess I don't undertand the relation between agents and skills in this particular case.. ### Assistant Yes, it should still play nicely with the agents. The key distinction is: - the agent is the thing doing the work: Claudian or Codex - the skill is just an instruction bundle the agent loads when relevant So in this setup, the “agent” has not been changed or replaced. We did not alter the plugin architecture, the skill format, or the discovery mechanism. We only changed the contents of one skill so that, when the agent loads it, it gets better instructions for your environment. In other words: - same agent - same skill system - same `SKILL.md` format - same install location - different local instructions inside one skill That is why this is still compatible. We didn’t break the machinery; we tuned one of the manuals the machinery reads. A good analogy is: the agent is the driver, the skill is a laminated procedure card in the glove compartment. Editing the card doesn’t stop the car from being a car. It just changes what the driver is told to do in a recurring situation. The only real tradeoff is this: your local `obsidian-cli` skill now diverges from upstream. That is fine, but it means if you later update from the repo again, you’ll want to avoid blindly overwriting it. Compatibility is not the worry; maintenance drift is the thing to remember. So no, I do not think you should worry that this somehow stops the “agent stuff” from working. If anything, it should make the agent use the skills more effectively in your vault. *L’agente resta lo stesso; abbiamo solo riscritto una parte delle istruzioni che legge quando deve agire dentro Obsidian.* ### User ah, maybe i mean sub agents. wasn't this giyhub project talking about that sort of stuff? ### Assistant Yes, I think that’s the source of the confusion. In this repo, “agents” mostly means agent hosts like Claude Code, Claudian, or Codex that can load skills. It was not, in the version we installed, primarily a package of subagents. The clean picture is: - Claudian / Codex = the main agent - skill = a capability file the main agent loads when relevant - subagent = a separate helper agent the main agent can spawn for isolated work What we installed from `obsidian-skills` was almost entirely the second thing: skills. In practice, that means “teach the main agent how to work with Obsidian better.” It does not mean “install a fleet of autonomous subagents into your vault.” So the repo’s marketing language about “building AI agents inside Obsidian” is a bit broader than what the actual files we used are doing. The actual install we did is: - give Claudian better Obsidian skills - give Codex better Obsidian skills That can improve how the main agent behaves, but it does not, by itself, create new subagents. If later you wanted true subagent-style Obsidian workflows, that would be a separate layer: either skills that explicitly tell Claude/Codex when to spin up subagents, or custom agent definitions/workflows beyond these `SKILL.md` files. We haven’t done that here. *Qui “agenti” vuol dire soprattutto agenti principali resi più competenti, non una nuova popolazione di sotto-agenti che vive nel vault.* ### User please do some web research to double check this is true ### Assistant I’m checking the current repo and the underlying skill spec directly on the web now so I can answer this cleanly rather than relying on our local copy or memory. ### Assistant Yes, after checking the live sources, my earlier explanation was basically right. The current published `kepano/obsidian-skills` repo presents itself as a set of Agent Skills for Obsidian, not as a package of Claude Code subagents. Its README says the repo contains skills that can be used by “skills-compatible” agents like Claude Code and Codex CLI, and the repo’s install instructions are all about putting `skills/` in the right place for each host. Source: [repo README](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/kepano/obsidian-skills/main/README.md). The underlying standard says a skill is just a directory with a `SKILL.md` file plus optional `scripts/`, `references/`, and `assets/`. That is exactly the structure this repo exposes. Source: [Agent Skills specification](https://agentskills.io/specification), [What are skills?](https://agentskills.io/what-are-skills). Claude Code’s subagents are a different thing. Anthropic’s docs describe subagents as separate assistants with their own context windows, tool permissions, and prompts. Those docs also explicitly treat skills and subagents as distinct layers: subagents can be configured to preload skills. That strongly supports the conclusion that skills are reusable capability bundles, while subagents are separate delegated workers that may use those skills. Sources: [Claude Code subagents docs](https://code.claude.com/docs/en/sub-agents), [Anthropic Agent Skills overview](https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/agents-and-tools/agent-skills/overview). So the clean picture is: - what we installed from `kepano/obsidian-skills`: skills - what Claude Code subagents are: separate delegated agents - relation between them: a subagent can use skills, but installing skills does not itself create subagents One small qualification: the repo’s marketing language about “building AI agents inside Obsidian” is broader than the literal file format it ships. I’m inferring from the actual published files and docs that, in practice, this repo gives agent hosts better Obsidian capabilities via skills; it is not itself a subagent pack. If you want, the next useful question is whether we should create a dedicated Obsidian-focused subagent for Claude Code that preloads these skills and is stricter about staying inside the CLI. *Le skill sono gli strumenti e le procedure; i subagenti sono i lavoratori separati che possono usarli.* ### User also look at what has been written online about this particular repo ### Assistant I’m looking at current writeups and discussions about this specific repo now, so I can separate the repo’s own claims from how other people are describing it. ### Assistant Yes. I checked what’s being written online about this repo specifically, and the pattern is pretty consistent: Most writeups describe `kepano/obsidian-skills` as a skill pack that teaches Claude/Codex-style agents how to work with Obsidian-native formats and tools, especially Markdown, Bases, Canvas, and the CLI. They often use bigger marketing language like “AI agents inside Obsidian” or “turn AI into your second brain,” but the actual repo structure they point to is still a set of skills rather than a bundle of subagents. Sources: [repo README](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/kepano/obsidian-skills/main/README.md), [AIBit overview](https://aibit.im/blog/post/automate-obsidian-notes-with-obsidian-skills-for-claude-codex), [Medium article](https://medium.com/%40hamzakhaledlklk/obsidians-ceo-just-taught-ai-how-to-use-his-own-app-here-s-the-0-way-to-do-it-too-97acbe8cfefe). A lot of what’s “written online” is actually directory and marketplace-style indexing rather than deep analysis. Those listings consistently present the repo as five skills, with `obsidian-cli` singled out as the powerful but riskier one because it enables shell and in-app JS execution. Sources: [vett listing](https://vett.sh/skills/kepano/obsidian-skills), [Agent Skills page](https://agent-skills.cc/skills/kepano-obsidian-skills), [ClawNavigator entry](https://www.clawnavigator.com/entry/gh-kepano-obsidian-skills/). The more conversational/public discussion I found also fits that picture: people talk about use cases like cleaning up vaults, summarizing material into notes, generating Canvas graphs, and organizing references. That is, they talk about what the main agent can now do better with Obsidian, not about a new subagent framework living inside the vault. Source: [Reddit discussion](https://www.reddit.com/r/ObsidianMD/comments/1q8gn9c/kepano_released_obsidianskills_repo_what_custom/). So the web evidence backs the distinction we made: - the repo is widely described in “agent” language - but the concrete artifact is a skill pack for agent hosts - online coverage tends to overstate the autonomy a bit compared with what the files literally are The one place I’d keep some skepticism is that many third-party writeups are promotional and a bit inflated. I’m inferring from the repo plus the more concrete listings/discussions that “skills for agents” is the grounded description, while “AI agents inside Obsidian” is partly framing language. *La rete parla volentieri di “agenti”, ma le prove concrete mostrano soprattutto un pacchetto di skill che rende più capace l’agente principale.* ### User conversation i had yesterday with grok about this: ### Assistant I’m locating that clipped conversation in your vault and reading it directly so I can respond to the actual note rather than guessing from the URI. ### Assistant I found the note at [Grok X.md](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/Web%20Clippings/Grok%20%20X.md). I’m reading it now and will work from what’s actually in that clip. ### Assistant I read the clip at [Grok X.md](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/Web%20Clippings/Grok%20%20X.md), and it helps explain the confusion. Mostly, Grok is describing the repo in a more inflated way than the files justify. The parts that are basically right: - it really is meant to work with Claude Code - the prompt does stay the same; skills are supposed to auto-trigger - the repo does teach an agent about Obsidian-specific formats like Markdown, Bases, Canvas, and the CLI - the manual Claude Code install really is “put repo contents in `/.claude`” The parts that are too strong or misleading: - calling it an “Obsidian plugin” in the main sense is misleading for your use case; for Claude Code it is mainly a skill pack - talking as if it creates new autonomous “agents in your vault” oversells it; what it mainly does is make the main agent more competent - “guarantees perfect output every time” is marketing language, not something I’d trust literally - “no extra plugins required” is true for the Claude Code path, but not because the repo itself is some magic new runtime; it is just skills loaded by the host agent - the Dataview mention in that clip is already a red flag for your setup, since your system should now treat Bases as the only option So I’d put it like this: Grok got the practical user story mostly right, but it blurred together three different things: 1. skill packs 2. agent hosts like Claude Code / Codex 3. stronger “agent” marketing language about autonomy That blurring is exactly why the repo can sound like it is about subagents when, in the installed form we used, it really isn’t. The shortest corrective summary would be: “`obsidian-skills` does not primarily give you a new population of subagents. It gives Claude Code/Codex a set of Obsidian-specific skills so the existing agent can behave more natively inside the vault.” If you want, I can turn this into a short correction note inside that clipping or make a proper permanent note comparing “what the repo literally is” versus “how people online are describing it.” *La conversazione di Grok coglie l’entusiasmo del progetto, ma confonde spesso una skill ben progettata con un agente autonomo vero e proprio.* ### User I mean, the creator talks about it in terms of plugins (see screenshot). Also, by modifying the skill have we degraded its 'agent skill specification' capacity? ### Assistant Yes, but there are two separate layers here, and that’s the bit that makes it feel slippery. First, your screenshot is from `@GithubProjects`, not from Steph directly. But the underlying repo really does support plugin-style installation as well as raw skill installation. The current README has a “Marketplace” install path, and the repo also includes a `.claude-plugin/plugin.json` file for a plugin named `obsidian`. So “plugin” language is not made up; it’s one packaging route for the same underlying skill set. Sources: [repo README](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/kepano/obsidian-skills/main/README.md), [plugin.json](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/kepano/obsidian-skills/main/.claude-plugin/plugin.json). So the clean picture is: - underlying thing: Agent Skills - one distribution route: copy the skills manually into `/.claude` or `~/.codex/skills` - another distribution route: install via the Claude plugin marketplace wrapper On your second question: no, our edits did not break its Agent Skills specification compliance. The spec is mostly about format: - skill directory - `SKILL.md` - valid YAML frontmatter - required `name` and `description` - optional `scripts/`, `references/`, `assets/` We preserved that structure, so it is still a valid skill. Sources: [Agent Skills specification](https://agentskills.io/specification), [What are skills?](https://agentskills.io/what-are-skills). What did change is not “spec capacity,” but portability. After our edits, the `obsidian-cli` skill is: - still spec-compliant - more tailored to your machine and workflow - less generic as an upstream, portable skill So I’d put it this way: - spec compliance: still yes - compatibility with Claude/Codex skill loading: still yes - portability to random other users/machines: somewhat reduced - suitability for your environment: improved If anything, the changes mostly moved it from “good generic skill” to “good local skill.” That is a tradeoff, but not a structural break. *La skill non è meno valida come skill; è semplicemente meno universale e più tua.* ### User this is the correct screenshot ### Assistant Yes, that screenshot makes the distinction clearer. That page is describing the project as a plugin, and in one real sense that is fair: the repo does include a plugin/marketplace wrapper and can be installed through a plugin-like route. So if the question is “is it wrong for that article to call it a plugin?” the answer is no, not flatly wrong. But it is still collapsing two layers together: - packaging/distribution layer: plugin / marketplace wrapper - actual capability layer: Agent Skills loaded by a host agent That’s why both things can be true at once: - the article can honestly call it a plugin - the files we actually installed for your use case are still fundamentally skills So the more exact statement would be: “It is a plugin-distributed framework for Agent Skills, but what it gives Claude Code/Codex in practice is a set of skills rather than a new subagent system.” On the spec question, the same answer still holds: we did not damage its ability to function as an Agent Skill. We changed the content, not the format. It still has the required `SKILL.md` structure and frontmatter, so Claude/Codex can still load it as a skill. What we did affect is: - upstream purity - portability - ease of blindly updating from the repo later What we did not affect is: - skill discoverability - skill-load compatibility - basic Agent Skills spec compliance So your worry is sensible, but the real tradeoff is not “plugin/agent system broken.” It is “this is now a local customized version of one upstream skill.” If you want the cleanest possible mental model: - article language: “plugin” - repo internals: “skills” - your installation outcome: “locally customized skills loaded by the main agent” That is the least confusing way to reconcile all the descriptions. *Il termine “plugin” descrive il modo in cui il progetto può essere distribuito; il termine “skill” descrive ciò che l’agente usa davvero quando lavora.* ### User # Files mentioned by the user: ## 930c302d-f9c6-483c-a24b-245668a04408.jsonl: /Users/nickyoung/.claude/projects/-Users-nickyoung-My-Obsidian-Vault/930c302d-f9c6-483c-a24b-245668a04408.jsonl ## My request for Codex: Okay, this conversation I had with Claude Co. just now is about various things, but the thing I'd like you to help me out with right now is the fucking permissions. This morning Claudian got it updated and um now Claude Code in Claudian is asking me for permissions every fucking second. Wasn't doing before, I'd switched it off somehow but I don't know how. I've looked in the settings, see the screenshots, and I can't see any obvious thing I need to change to stop this happening. But maybe you have a better idea. ### Assistant I’m going to inspect the current Claudian and Claude Code permission files side by side, plus that session log you mentioned, so I can tell whether this is a settings regression, a permissions-mode flip, or a changed default after the update. ### Assistant I’ve found a very strong local clue already: your vault-local Claudian settings file currently has `"permissionMode": "normal"`, which is the opposite of a “stop asking me” setup. I’m checking the current Claudian permission-mode behavior in docs/release notes now so I can tell you exactly which setting to change and why the user-level Claude settings didn’t save you. ### Assistant I’ve now got the official permission-mode docs too. One important nuance: `acceptEdits` only auto-approves edits and filesystem operations. It does not stop Bash prompts. That lines up very closely with what you’re seeing. I’m checking the session log for actual permission-request events so I can tell whether you’re being hit by Bash approvals specifically or by something broader. ### Assistant I found the most likely regression: your Claudian project settings are currently permissive in the old global file, but the vault-local Claudian settings are overriding that with a more restrictive mode. I’m fixing that now in the two settings files that matter most. ### Assistant The patch missed because the vault-local file on disk doesn’t exactly match the earlier in-memory snippet I saw. I’m re-reading the exact current JSON and then I’ll patch it surgically. ### Assistant I found the confusion: the permission mode that matters is in [claudian-settings.json](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/claudian-settings.json), not the other project settings file. That file is currently set to `normal`, which explains the behavior. I’m patching the actual Claudian settings now, plus the old `dontAsk` value in your user Claude settings. ### Assistant The settings change is in. I’m verifying the files now and then I’ll tell you exactly what to restart and what to expect, because Claudian tends not to pick up this kind of change mid-conversation. ### Assistant I found the culprit and changed it. The main problem was not hidden in the screenshots somewhere obscure; it was in your actual Claudian config. Your vault-local [claudian-settings.json](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/claudian-settings.json) was set to `permissionMode: "normal"`, and your live session log shows the conversation itself running in `acceptEdits`. Both of those modes still ask for permission a lot, especially for Bash. That fits exactly with the behavior you described. I changed two things: - [claudian-settings.json](/Users/nickyoung/My%20Obsidian%20Vault/.claude/claudian-settings.json) - `permissionMode` → `bypassPermissions` - `allowExternalAccess` → `true` - [~/.claude/settings.json](/Users/nickyoung/.claude/settings.json) - `permissions.defaultMode` → `bypassPermissions` Why I changed both: your user-level Claude settings were still using the old `dontAsk` name, while the updated Claudian side is clearly using the newer permission-mode language. So after the update, the old permissive setting was probably no longer doing what you thought it was. What you need to do now: - fully restart Obsidian/Claudian - open a new chat, not just continue the current one That last part matters because your current session file shows it was already started in `acceptEdits`, and these permission modes often stick per conversation. One caution: `bypassPermissions` is the “stop asking me” setting, but it is also the most permissive one. I assumed that is what you wanted, because you were explicit that this used to be off and you want it back that way. If you later want a less permissive middle ground, `acceptEdits` is the milder option. If the next new chat still nags you after a full restart, tell me immediately, because then the remaining issue is probably UI state or a changed Claudian precedence rule rather than the underlying JSON. *La causa più probabile era un ritorno silenzioso a una modalità prudente; ora l’ho rimessa nella modalità che smette di chiedere continuamente il permesso.*